First, I would like to say I dont support this. I've lived everywhere except WH in my times and local works just fine. Attacking people in their own space is easy enough as it is (and this isn't coming from the person being attacked by the way).

Secondly, this has been proposed a million and seven times. If you want to bring it up again search for it and post your support in that thread instead of posting another one. (Also, by the way, the fact its been braught up so often and shot down so often says something about how little support it gets each time.)

My 2 cents... Or pence, rather.

Local Chat's current Intel function diminishes strategic gameplay, stealth, and scouting. This proposal aims to fix that while still giving tools to Sov. Holders (and those in NPC Null who make the effort to align with NPCs). It also encourages the use of smaller ship classes bellow that of BCs for use as raiders and scouts by giving them a greater potential to move about unnoticed.


Local Chat Intel Changes:

New Delayed mode:
- Automatically applies to High and Low Sec

Players will now appear in Local after a set time of entering the system based on ship class:

Frigates, Shuttles, Pods: 5 minutes delay
Destroyers: 3 minutes delay
Cruisers, Transports, Mining Barges: 1 minute 30 seconds
Battlecruisers, Industrials, Exhumers: 30 seconds
Battleships: 15 seconds
Capital Ships or Player Docked in a Station: Instant

* Cloaks will end the timer and cannot be picked up by Local Intel if not already registered or unless the player broadcasts in the Chat.
* Once registered on a systems Local Intel only logging out or leaving the system will remove you. Cloaking after this time will not remove you from Local.

Note: None of this applies to Wormwhole space which remains the same.


- Null Sec:

Local Chat Intel is no longer automatically part of Null Sec, the default state being the same as Wormhole space.

Outposts in Sov Null provide the new Delayed Mode Local Intel in the system they occupy. Much like docking rights, who has access to this Intel in controlled by those that own the Outpost.

Stations in NPC Null will provide the new Delayed Mode Local Intel in the System they occupy to those Players or Corps that have 8.0 or higher standing to the NPC Corp holding the station.

A new mod for Titans and perhaps other Cap Ships that will allow them to provide the new Delayed Mode Local Intel for the System they are in for all Corp and Alliance members. Active mod that will not work in POS shields or while the ship is cloaked. Also will not function in WH Space.

A new deployable The Scanner Array: When deployed will provide the new delayed Local Intel in the system in which it is deployed to the Corp and alliance that owns it. Cannot be deployed in or near a POS. Will not function in WH space. Has a large volume that no subcap combat ship can carry one. Is relatively expensive to produce and relatively easy to destroy. Also shows up on Overview.


Note: This Proposal is the Local Chat portion of a larger proposal in Features and Ideas on Improving Intel in EVE which includes additional ideas including cloaking improvements and means to detect cloaked ships which can be found here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=94963&find=unread

Actually if you carefully read the details this proposal it doesn't remove AFK cloaking as an option, although I doubt many would bother as there simply is no need to do it the first place.

if they are red in local it means they have a gcc, meaning they have already ganked someone and cant do another until the gcc is over, becuase of concord

Thank you.

I think there's a real disconnect between some of our experiences, because when I lived in Sov Null space, so long as I watched local and stayed in my own alliance's space there really was no risk of hostiles getting me. As brand new player living out there I didn't watch Local and Intel chanels and got killed, but the mistake wasn't repeated. I just don't think the occasional newbie, the really dumb, and the afk getting killed constitutes it being "easy to get people in their own space."

Even with my system suggested you're unlikely to get jumped unknowingly by anything larger than a cruiser while staying in your alliance controlled space, and that's with no one watching gates. The goal isn't to deny players any form of Intel, it's to make them have to actively pursue that Intel.

I have no doubt the list of your objections is very long, but that wasn't what I asked. Often posters try to give the impression they speak for the entire EVE community or a very large part of it, but you've made it quite clear now you only speak for yourself and perhaps other AFK cloak whiners. I just wanted to know who this "we" was, now I do.

Oh... Since you like the effects of Local Intel, I think it's only fair that I tell you that throughout the day I'm going to keep this page open, I'll be away from my keyboard most of the time, but I could potentially come back any time and post. I hope this doesn't cause you too much discomfort or distress.

What's the matter? Tell us how you really feel.

Its pretty clear that he wouldn't want to link to the numerous numerous old threads because this idea is bad.

Local allows small gang and solo pvpers the ability to avoid getting blobbed.

I mean we can go on and on with how bad delayed local is. But some people are so intent on trying to gank pve ships they refuse to listen.

If you don't want local go to a wormhole but leave the other 90% of eve, that prefers to live in a space with local alone.